did you actually watch the video? There is nothing wrong with Spotify Lossless - it is just using Windows audio mixer. If we could use it on Volumio, it would be fine.
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It seems “Team Librespot” is aware and that people are doing things… setting up discords to collaborate - could Team Volumio also help? He even says they did some prep year ago for highres. Should we expect Volumio to be introducing Spotify High res if Librespot gets updated?
Hi everyone. The Spotify Lossless situation has been archived. We have received communication from Spotify that they don’t like us poking around with their DRM. To protect the librespot projects (and also Volumio) we’ll stop investigating it.
Additionally, you may be experiencing issues with playback on the Spotify plugin, we’ll be issuing an update soon.
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Expanding on what written above.
Spotify has requested that open source platforms make no further attempts to integrate lossless audio, as this could potentially enable unauthorized access to premium streaming. While it’s disappointing for us, this is a reasonable position: it not only protects their business model, but ensures compliance with strict agreements they have in place with rightsholders to prevent unauthorized use of content.
This means that if any open source project proceeds to enable lossless, that project will be taken down. As much as we’d love to enable lossless for our users, we will respect this decision. We don’t want to risk losing Spotify support for everyone. We also refuse to operate outside the bounds of what platforms and rightsholders require. Volumio must remain a reputable partner to all the streaming services we work with.
That said, we have a sophisticated non-open source streaming plugin infrastructure in place that we already use with other major DSPs. This framework has been validated to protect IP and streaming rights, and we could proceed through this route if it would unlock the situation.
This leaves us at an impasse. We’ve tried every avenue to communicate with Spotify because we want to bring the best possible experience to our users, and we’ve proven we’re capable of doing so while respecting IP rights and trade secrets. But so far, we’ve hit a brick wall.
If anyone from Spotify is reading this: please reach out to us.
Let’s find a way to bring lossless to our users. If there’s any community that will truly benefit from lossless, it’s ours. We’re obsessed with quality, and not only will we appreciate it, but engaging successfully with our community will provide you with valuable insights into making your platform even better for music enthusiasts.
We’re working with everyone in the industry and have brought all other major streaming platforms on board. It’s a shame we can’t do the same with you.
If you’d like to get in touch, you’ll find a partner willing to protect your IP and that of your licensors while delivering exceptional user experiences to your ideal target audience.
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So, according to Spotify, which devices should be used to listen to their music in lossless format ?
Like most devices, it relies on open source software.
Spotify itself uses servers based on open source software.
It would include devices that can run a native Spotify app (Windows, MacOS, Linux, iOS, Android), and streaming devices that support Spotify Connect, where the streamer manufacturer has integrated the Spotify SDK under license agreement with Spotify. The problem is that so far Spotify has not shown interest in making Volumio a licensed partner.
@metro
Sorry 
It’s like the manufacturers Audi, BMW, Porsche etc issuing licenses only on highways and expressways.
They prohibited driving the car on local roads or city roads.
They argued that driving on city streets or local roads would void the warranty.
They would not be interested in driving on city or local roads.
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Prior to delving into Volumio, I’ve played with PlexAmp headless playing nice along side Spotify Connect thru vanilla Debian. Despite its apparent bit-perfect playback, the graphical interface and smart display functions thru “Now Playing” and “PeppyMeterBasic” of Volumio is what makes a DIY streamer comparable to commercial products like Wiim.
On my Win11 laptop, I’m aware that even if I turn on lossless, Win11’s audio stack will still do its own thing, rendering the point of Spotify lossless…useless.
If I am reading @volumio’s post correctly, it appears that Spotify lossless may be only available thru Volumio premium where Volumio can engage Spotify thru revenue sharing, which is fair.
That isn’t at all what @volumio’s post is about. No doubt Spotify Lossless would have been made a Premium feature, just like Qobuz Connect and Tidal Connect. The question to ask is why Spotify SDK software was allowed to be implemented on WiiM, Bluesound, Sonos, Cambridge Audio and many other streamer products, but not Volumio.
I believe the reason is that those other products are closed, locked-down devices. For example, AFAIK a customer cannot login to a WiiM device as a superuser, access internal system files and run commands to install software and alter how it runs — which is possible on Volumio.
Companies like WiiM, Bluesound, Sonos, Cambridge Audio etc. likely pay extra for Spotify’s seamless operation.
When it’s not clear what it’s about, it’s about money.
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You’re missing the point.
WiiM, Bluesound, Sonos, and Cambridge Audio are closed systems, users can’t access or modify the embedded software, so the risk of code leaks is minimal.
Volumio, on the other hand, is open source. That means anyone can inspect or alter the system, increasing potential exposure.
To mitigate this, Volumio built a secure, cloud-based backbone for authentication and security, an approach validated by both Tidal and Qobuz.
So the real question is: why is Spotify still resisting?
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I wrote above: When it’s not clear what it’s about, it’s about money.
I felt the need to respond, it was a general statement that could be taken in many ways.
Sometime I wish back the times when going with real people into real shops listening to real LPs and CDs on real life 
Since spotify will roll out the lossless audio hopefully that volumio developers could able tweak the system. Just like a dedicated menu for spotify login same as tidal and qobuz… not just a plugins but dedicated login
unfortunately, nothing happened so far!
So the real question is: why is Spotify still resisting?
Not to put too fine a point on it, but it’s not like Volumio is a non-profit…eventho many of us are non-premium users. And I’d think that Spotify is well-aware of the ecosystem that Volumio operates in. So it’s easy for one to think the reason why Spotify may be resisting is…“Hey…why would we allow you [Volumio] into our premium lossless ecosystem/offering that will add more value to your subscription based service without us getting a cut?”
And if someone from sales at Spotify sees this, they might even come back to Volumio and say, “well, if you can offer Spotify Lossless to your paid subs, then you can project to sell XXX more subs…”
Without any ill-intent or viewing it thru smeared coloured glasses, that seems like how business works no?
EDIT: I have zero bone to pick nor is this my fight…I have enough lossless files that I care not very much whether the free community edition of Volumio gets Spotify lossless or not.
I’m not here to argue. Honestly, I’m not a fan of Spotify and barely use it. But if I cancel the subscription, certain family members have made it clear there will be consequences.
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I can see and imagine, from your perspective, where you might’ve deployed some Volumio devices for your family members who are asking you if their Volumio device can now stream Spotify Lossless…lol…not enviable.
I also understand that if I was a paid sub of Volumio premium or purchased a Volumio device, that Spotify Lossless would be something I’d expect nowadays. READ: This is me equating Volumio with the commercial big boys.