Doh!
Sorry about that. I have a Netgear r7000 router which broadcasts on 2g and 5g which is visible on all devices. I have set permissions for the Lan but the WiFi just does not show up to log into. I have also set permissions for all new stuff to be able to hook up without passwords (temporarily) and still no go. Weird!!! This on 3 raspberry pi 3 b with usb out or with hifiberry DAC plus gpio card. Also used updated as well as original 2.141, 2.163, 2.175 and 2.185 versions. Hope that is enough - please let me know if not.
Thanks
Keith
Btw also tried hotspot with 192.168.211.1 and I can see the raspberry s but I still can’t find my networks even that way.